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Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:50 am
by akjason
Well I drew up an outside attic stairs scenario that would work, but it requires two deck platforms and a lot of railing. I'm not sure the cost/benefit is there and Lisa didn't like it, so attic stairs are staying inside.

Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 10:24 am
by TwoStep
Good point about the air right at the tank outlet... My new shop actually has normal old flexible 1/2" ID air hose running from the tank (back corner of the back bay) up to the front bays. At that point I added a 4-way and plumbed in a reel right in the middle and ran PEX feeder lines to each end of the front shop. Convenient enough, I found a 150' roll of 1/2" pex laying on the side of I-64 right about the time that we bought the new place. When it comes time to replace the main line hose I'll go with 3/4" PEX.

Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 12:19 pm
by akjason
What i'm reading for compressor sheds is that it's pretty common to use an off-the-shelf length of hydraulic hose from somewhere like tractor supply (cheap and readily available) to go from the compressor, through conduit connecting the shed to the garage, and then to a T on the garage plumbing. Bottom leg of T is a drain line, top leg is the main supply line to the rest of the garage. Hydraulic hose will obviously handle the pressure and higher temp at compressor outlet, but I have to do more reading on if air temp will be cool enough at the T before it gets to PEX.

Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:44 pm
by stretch_o
Personally I would use black iron pipe with forged fittings for my main supply line. With a short rubber hose between the pipe and compressor for vibration isolation. Then a drip leg and moisture separator.

No matter what you use, avoid any sharp turns directly out of the compressor because of excessive heat build up.

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Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 5:22 pm
by TwoStep
Any plans for plumbing? An outside hydrant and an indoor shop sink sure are handy. Of course the sink would be best added later after the final inspection is done.

Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:25 pm
by akjason
stretch_o wrote:Personally I would use black iron pipe with forged fittings for my main supply line.
Thanks, a hybrid system isn't out of the question. I think at this point its a matter of doing the layout and figuring out actual prices. Since that won't happen at least until after i send the plans out for bid, I'm going to table the air distribution discussion until I can do some more research.
TwoStep wrote:Any plans for plumbing?
While I'd love to have a utility sink, I don't think I'm going to mess with it. The walk out basement door is on that corner of the house, and it's got a utility sink just inside the door with hot and cold water. Theres also a water spigot on that same corner. So I'll take the opportunity to not spend that money.

Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:42 pm
by CJ51973
If you do a hydrant I have tips[THUMBS UP SIGN]


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Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 7:49 pm
by akjason
So what are you guys calling a hydrant?

Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:17 pm
by CJ51973
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Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:35 pm
by akjason
Huh, ok. I thought it was a slang term or something. I actually have one of those out where the pool was, near the third shed.

Re: Shop build

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:21 pm
by TwoStep
Any updates? when do you break ground?

Re: Shop build

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:22 am
by akjason
I've got updates! We've since moved into the new house, mostly settled in, life happens. I've been planning/designing/consulting/bidding for this garage the whole time, but didn't bother updating this thread with boring details. We just signed a contract to build the shell, then I'll be responsible for finishing it out on the inside. Start date should be determined within the next week or so, but it could be as soon as mid-Dec or as late as Feb. Final building ended up being 30 wide x 40 deep x 12'-10" tall ceiling, two 10x10 sectional doors, 2x4 stud wall, and simple trussed roof. I eliminated the attic entirely due to cost, and not having stairs frees up a lot of space. The 40' depth allows for a lift towards the back of one of the bays while still having some work space near the door with a vehicle on the lift. Plenty of room in the other bay to park the buggy and still have a full work space in the rear. The compressor shed isn't going to happen right away, since the shed I was going to use is now slated to become a play house for the kids. I'll likely get/build a small cheap shed or lean-to at some point and move the compressor out there in the next few years.

Since they're just building the shell, I'm responsible for running power from the house, wiring, insulating, finishing the walls/ceiling, and installing . I mostly know what I'm doing with that stuff, but I'll welcome any advice/assistance in any of those areas. For example, I'm 90% decided on drywall vs painted plywood, but I need to call a few places to see if it's worth paying a crew to do it instead of me (avoid having to rent a scissor lift, etc). I may host a pizza/beer/wire pulling afternoon, or whatever. Anybody with leads/suggestions for equipment such as drywall lifts, scissor lifts, right angle drill for augering wire holes through the studs, etc? Thought I'd ask here before renting those types of things. Oh, and a log splitter would be real handy, since I've got a 6 or so decent size trees coming down.

I'll make sure to give more updates once they start construction. They'll have a full crew dedicated to the project, so they're saying they'll be done in 4-6 weeks worst case, but more likely 3-4 weeks.

Re: Shop build

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:16 am
by Reeko
One think to keep in mind is drywall mud doesn’t like large temperature swings. My garage at home is finished out and I have cracks on a lot of the sheet joints. It may be the installer’s fault but I am not for sure.


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Re: Shop build

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:44 am
by akjason
Reeko wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:16 am
One think to keep in mind is drywall mud doesn’t like large temperature swings. My garage at home is finished out and I have cracks on a lot of the sheet joints.
Good point, because if I bother keeping it heated all the time during winter it'll be like 40deg during the week, then bump up to 65-ish on the weekends. Plywood is twice the cost, and I'm still going to paint it so it will be nice and bright inside. But I wouldn't be messing with tape and mud, so that's a lot of time I'd save. And I'd also be able to hang things wherever I want on the walls or ceiling. Heck, it's just a working garage after all, not a museum!

Re: Shop build

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:26 pm
by ky mudhunters
You mentioned a right angle drill for wiring. When I wired my house back in the spring we did most of the drilling with a Dewalt impact and wood drill bits like these https://www.grainger.com/product/1PMT8? ... 73742548! . It is a lot easier than lugging around a 90° drill all day. We still had to use the 90°in a few spots but not many.